They just got a different tool to use than we do: They kill innocent lives to achieve objectives. That's what they do. And they're good. They get on the TV screens and they get people to ask questions about, well, you know, this, that or the other. I mean, they're able to kind of say to people: Don't come and bother us, because we will kill you. Bush - Joint News Conference with Blair - 28 July '06

Monday, October 17, 2005

Torture victims petition UK government

British victims of torture have called on the Government to ensure that information extracted by abuse of prisoners is not used in UK courts.

ITN:
Les Walker and Bill Sampson joined leaders of human rights organisations outside the Houses of Parliament to sign a petition urging the Government to end complicity in torture.

The protest came as Law Lords began deliberations inside Parliament on whether evidence obtained by torture abroad can be used in immigration cases in the UK.

Human rights groups and lawyers are challenging a 2004 Appeal Court ruling that the Home Office is entitled to use such information to back up its claims that individuals pose a threat to national security, so long as British agents were not involved in carrying out or soliciting the torture.

Speaking outside Parliament, Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said: "This is a momentous case. The UK is at an important crossroads. It can reaffirm its stand against torture, which is absolutely banned, or slide towards illegality by its tacit acceptance that torture is sometimes OK.

"Failing to rule out the use of any torture evidence in UK proceedings would give a green light to torturers the world over.

"Rather than leading the way in the fight against this vile practice, the UK would legitimise the actions of torturers and provide a cloak of legality for their abhorrent and unlawful practice."

Dr Sampson, 46, who has dual British and Canadian nationality and lives in Penrith, Cumbria, said that he suffered beatings, sleep deprivation and sexual molestation during 964 days in solitary confinement in Saudi Arabia after being arrested on trumped-up charges of terrorism and spying.

He said his experience showed that evidence obtained by torture was counter-productive.

"After so many days of that type of brutality, you will say whatever it takes to stop the pain," he said.

"From the questions your interrogators are asking you, you can gather what it is that they want to hear and you will tell them it.

"Torture results in false confessions and the intelligence information you get from it is contaminated and useless.

"Any intelligence professional who acts on this information is not doing his job properly, because he is diverting time and resources away from effective means of intelligence gathering."

Mr Walker, 59, from Neston, Cheshire, said he cracked after being told by Saudi interrogators that his wife would be brought into a neighbouring cell so he could hear her being abused.

He said he was appalled that the British authorities were willing to use evidence apparently obtained by torture to back up their case for the deportation of 10 men who were held without charge following the September 11 attacks in the US.

"They are going back to the Inquisition," he said. "If they allow this, then they are condoning torture.

"I want them to say firmly that torture is wrong and that they will not accept any evidence in any court case that is obtained under torture, but will instead put the torturers in the dock."

Both Dr Sampson and Mr Walker received Saudi royal clemency and were released in 2003, but neither has had his conviction overturned.

Shami Chakrabarti, director of civil rights group Liberty, said: "Torture is unreliable. Torture is wrong.

"If we are complicit in any way in torture around the world, what will we say to the terrorists who tortured Ken Bigley? What will we say to dictators like Saddam Hussein?

"This is the one absolute in democracy, that you do not touch torture."

Carla Ferstman, director of torture survivors' organisation Redress, said: "Admitting torture evidence is a slap in the face to the thousands of torture survivors that live in the UK.

"This is part of a spiralling counter-terrorism policy which is quickly eroding this most basic of civil liberties." Link